this is in los angeles. there was a neighborhood of scientists that lived in an area and protesters would not protest at the university. they would find out where the researchers lived in protest outside their house. and this of course is frightening for scientist. in fact when i was at the university of washington we would get e-mails once a year saying the animal rights protesters were back, be careful, don't engage with them. because they have a history of violence. they have a history of intimidating researchers and just to give you an idea of how loony these people are, one of these neighbors puts up a sign that says stop bothering us, we support science in support of his neighbor. one of the animal researchers crossed off science in said torture, we support torture. that is how they view people like me and ken, we we are torturous. we are not helping, we are not helping medical science we are animal torturers. the bottom right, lawrence summers who was fired from harvard essentially, he was pushed out